Comments on: Privilege http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/ ashtanga yoga. zen. life. words. Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:06:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: cranky housefrau http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1309 cranky housefrau Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:52:54 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1309 yeah, i have to admit that some of the questions were not so much about priviledge but being overindulged. i did the survey and then forgot to post it. basically, i would say i was and am very priviledged but i think my parents were very careful that my sister and i were not spoiled and that we appreciated the things we had. yeah, i have to admit that some of the questions were not so much about priviledge but being overindulged. i did the survey and then forgot to post it. basically, i would say i was and am very priviledged but i think my parents were very careful that my sister and i were not spoiled and that we appreciated the things we had.

]]> By: Arturo http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 Arturo Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:55:39 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1308 Hi Karen I've never actually gone on a cruise in one of those big new cruising boats. I used to look at them with interest every week when I lived in Miami Beach. My roomate of those days went to work in one of the lines and invited me on two ocassions for lunch and visit on an afternoon at port before departure. I will say that from an architectural perspective, there is a great amount of detail that goes into making these boats be very festive. For some people, those who can't walk too much, these trips are good (my parents and their friends, for example). For me, I would be frustrated being in a place that feeds you 7 or 8 times a day. The sad reality is that what used to be fun was visiting ports, but now visits to ports are increasingly being limited because of taxes imposed on the lines, so people are spending more time on board the ships, which are like floating hotels anyway. Cheers, Arturo Hi Karen
I’ve never actually gone on a cruise in one of those big new cruising boats. I used to look at them with interest every week when I lived in Miami Beach. My roomate of those days went to work in one of the lines and invited me on two ocassions for lunch and visit on an afternoon at port before departure. I will say that from an architectural perspective, there is a great amount of detail that goes into making these boats be very festive. For some people, those who can’t walk too much, these trips are good (my parents and their friends, for example). For me, I would be frustrated being in a place that feeds you 7 or 8 times a day. The sad reality is that what used to be fun was visiting ports, but now visits to ports are increasingly being limited because of taxes imposed on the lines, so people are spending more time on board the ships, which are like floating hotels anyway.
Cheers,
Arturo

]]> By: donutszenmom http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1307 donutszenmom Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:47:45 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1307 "Abandon all hope, you who enter here." I love the Inferno. Wikipedia has a nice write up of the levels of hell, BTW, under "Divine Comedy." Including this, re: the first circle: "Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. Here also reside those who, if they lived before the coming of Christ, did not pay fitting homage to their respective deity. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. Their fault was that they lacked faith — the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive." Baudrillard's concept of simulacra used to awe and amuse me. Now, though, it feels frightening -- like a bad trip. I think this has something to do with age -- and possibly practice? And yes, the survey is not only middle class, but also distinctly American. “Abandon all hope, you who enter here.” I love the Inferno.

Wikipedia has a nice write up of the levels of hell, BTW, under “Divine Comedy.” Including this, re: the first circle:

“Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. Here also reside those who, if they lived before the coming of Christ, did not pay fitting homage to their respective deity. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. Their fault was that they lacked faith — the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive.”

Baudrillard’s concept of simulacra used to awe and amuse me. Now, though, it feels frightening — like a bad trip. I think this has something to do with age — and possibly practice?

And yes, the survey is not only middle class, but also distinctly American.

]]> By: donutszenmom http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1306 donutszenmom Sun, 06 Jan 2008 16:37:49 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1306 Just like my Daddy! Perhaps we should take this offline... Just like my Daddy!

Perhaps we should take this offline…

]]> By: The Cop http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1305 The Cop Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:54:59 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1305 The particular exercise confirms DZM's frequent assertion that I am, in fact, Irish white trash. The particular exercise confirms DZM’s frequent assertion that I am, in fact, Irish white trash.

]]> By: patrick http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1304 patrick Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:22:53 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1304 totally agreed, owl-girl...hey karen, you and I both have 13 highlighted items! I didn't realize one was to repost with bold print, so I just counted... cruiselines are totally the first circle of hell. Ice sculptures, too, and boozy topless once-business-execs with trophy wives, and everyone sunburned (well, at least that was cruising, about 20 years ago). Oh and don't forget the so-called disco floors that make Saturday Night Fever look high-tech. Also, cruiselines are where old comics and other performers go to Baudrillardian simulacra heaven--well, that and Coney Island, apparently. There's a reason Selby set _Requiem for a Dream_ there. totally agreed, owl-girl…hey karen, you and I both have 13 highlighted items! I didn’t realize one was to repost with bold print, so I just counted…

cruiselines are totally the first circle of hell. Ice sculptures, too, and boozy topless once-business-execs with trophy wives, and everyone sunburned (well, at least that was cruising, about 20 years ago). Oh and don’t forget the so-called disco floors that make Saturday Night Fever look high-tech. Also, cruiselines are where old comics and other performers go to Baudrillardian simulacra heaven–well, that and Coney Island, apparently. There’s a reason Selby set _Requiem for a Dream_ there.

]]> By: (0v0) http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 (0v0) Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:13:30 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1303 Wow. What a contrast between you and your Gift! Class mobility is like the core of the American Myth and the good reason your parents came here. But now (the demographers tell me) DOWNWARD class mobility is more common than upward. Crazy. I like the idea of making this a meme—will post my answers later. One interesting aspect of the survey is that it is written from such a middle class/middle brow perspective. TV in your room? Cruisline vacations? Lots of people would see these not as marks of distinction but trashiness! After two family cruises, I can confirm they are awful. Butter sculptures. Staff renditions of A Chorus Line. Group snorkeling expeditions. First circle of hell? Wow. What a contrast between you and your Gift!

Class mobility is like the core of the American Myth and the good reason your parents came here. But now (the demographers tell me) DOWNWARD class mobility is more common than upward. Crazy.

I like the idea of making this a meme—will post my answers later.

One interesting aspect of the survey is that it is written from such a middle class/middle brow perspective. TV in your room? Cruisline vacations? Lots of people would see these not as marks of distinction but trashiness! After two family cruises, I can confirm they are awful. Butter sculptures. Staff renditions of A Chorus Line. Group snorkeling expeditions. First circle of hell?

]]> By: donutszenmom http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 donutszenmom Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:02:12 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1302 LOL! I think you should have a New Year's resolution to arbitrarily select and document things she says and post them all over cyberspace. LOL! I think you should have a New Year’s resolution to arbitrarily select and document things she says and post them all over cyberspace.

]]> By: Tim http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1301 Tim Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:59:36 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1301 The Wife has now just said she's not going to say anything to me anymore. The Wife has now just said she’s not going to say anything to me anymore.

]]> By: Tim http://donutszenmom.com/2008/01/05/privilege/comment-page-1/#comment-1300 Tim Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:58:37 +0000 http://donutszenmom.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/privilege/#comment-1300 Mmmmm . . . glass . . . definitely better than a cruise. On our scale: The Wife just noticed that we didn't get an Xmas card from Roche Bobois this year. I guess we've moved down. Mmmmm . . . glass . . . definitely better than a cruise.

On our scale: The Wife just noticed that we didn’t get an Xmas card from Roche Bobois this year. I guess we’ve moved down.

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