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		<title>By: donutszenmom</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your kind words, Julie. The dependency issue is interesting: it can be so easy to make little habits or superstitions about what we need to have in order to do a pose. I had a little &quot;break&quot; that I used to take at the end of primary, before I launched into the intermediate poses. Amusing -- how our minds have all sorts of ways of asserting themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind words, Julie. The dependency issue is interesting: it can be so easy to make little habits or superstitions about what we need to have in order to do a pose. I had a little &#8220;break&#8221; that I used to take at the end of primary, before I launched into the intermediate poses. Amusing &#8212; how our minds have all sorts of ways of asserting themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very much enjoy your posts, dzm, thank you for posting.

i am more of the bending type (back, front, side to side) and really had to work hard to find my strength.  i hyper extend moderately pretty much everywhere so it has always been a huge place of confusion, exploration and discovery for me.  when i was learning laghuvajrasana - the hands-to-ankles, straight-armed variant - it took me weeks.  i just could not get up.  and i was so absolutely WIPED after practice.  i think once i actually came down with a cold after practice; i guess it released a whole bunch of toxins.

and yes, i think the bendy folks have fears.  i&#039;ve always been able to do kapotasana holding the heels, but for the first 4 months or so, i needed support.  in the beginning i needed to be put into the pose because it was to scary for me to attempt alone.  once in i could support it myself but i did not want my teacher to walk away!  it gradually evolved to more moral support rather than physical but one day i asked my teacher not to come to me as i realized - finally - that i had become dependent!!  even now, maybe 5 or 6 years later, there are some days when i just don&#039;t want to do it.

thanks for your very interesting posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very much enjoy your posts, dzm, thank you for posting.</p>
<p>i am more of the bending type (back, front, side to side) and really had to work hard to find my strength.  i hyper extend moderately pretty much everywhere so it has always been a huge place of confusion, exploration and discovery for me.  when i was learning laghuvajrasana &#8211; the hands-to-ankles, straight-armed variant &#8211; it took me weeks.  i just could not get up.  and i was so absolutely WIPED after practice.  i think once i actually came down with a cold after practice; i guess it released a whole bunch of toxins.</p>
<p>and yes, i think the bendy folks have fears.  i&#8217;ve always been able to do kapotasana holding the heels, but for the first 4 months or so, i needed support.  in the beginning i needed to be put into the pose because it was to scary for me to attempt alone.  once in i could support it myself but i did not want my teacher to walk away!  it gradually evolved to more moral support rather than physical but one day i asked my teacher not to come to me as i realized &#8211; finally &#8211; that i had become dependent!!  even now, maybe 5 or 6 years later, there are some days when i just don&#8217;t want to do it.</p>
<p>thanks for your very interesting posts.</p>
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		<title>By: donutszenmom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turn back to the midline after the second side, hands down between legs, lift butt/legs, put feet on floor, come up a la prasarita D, then back to samasthiti. On to parsvo.

I am with you on respecting the shala I&#039;m at. I would not include samakonasana/ hanumanasana until/unless I saw that it was the custom of the shala. It&#039;s the same thing with going to a new zendo: you do what the teacher says. If the community is kind enough to welcome you, the least you can do is be respectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turn back to the midline after the second side, hands down between legs, lift butt/legs, put feet on floor, come up a la prasarita D, then back to samasthiti. On to parsvo.</p>
<p>I am with you on respecting the shala I&#8217;m at. I would not include samakonasana/ hanumanasana until/unless I saw that it was the custom of the shala. It&#8217;s the same thing with going to a new zendo: you do what the teacher says. If the community is kind enough to welcome you, the least you can do is be respectful.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you move from hanuman to parsvo?

Bindifry, I cannot imagine doing both my practice, and also teaching Mysore--doing constant adjustments to wanting, expecting, not always grateful students. It&#039;s a lot of dedication and energy. Wow. Jodi, earlier from Chicago, is here in LA now; and her strength in this area completely astounds me.

Because of how much energy and dedication goes into teaching, I guess the least I can do is figure out and go with the program in each room I visit. I don&#039;t have the experience to know, but guess that when someone comes to your room and does a practice that differs from what you&#039;re teaching, it distracts both the student and the teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you move from hanuman to parsvo?</p>
<p>Bindifry, I cannot imagine doing both my practice, and also teaching Mysore&#8211;doing constant adjustments to wanting, expecting, not always grateful students. It&#8217;s a lot of dedication and energy. Wow. Jodi, earlier from Chicago, is here in LA now; and her strength in this area completely astounds me.</p>
<p>Because of how much energy and dedication goes into teaching, I guess the least I can do is figure out and go with the program in each room I visit. I don&#8217;t have the experience to know, but guess that when someone comes to your room and does a practice that differs from what you&#8217;re teaching, it distracts both the student and the teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: donutszenmom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Bindifry, I see you asked what a &quot;bad kapotasana adjustment&quot; is, and I overlooked it in my reply. As I mentioned, I&#039;ve only heard about this, not seen nor experienced it, but the so-called bad adjustments seemed to be about the teacher trying quite forcefully to bend the student into the pose. I guess it&#039;s just a matter of degree, since all adjustments push the student a bit further than they can go on their own. In these cases, though, the implication was that the teacher was forceful enough to really injure the student.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Bindifry, I see you asked what a &#8220;bad kapotasana adjustment&#8221; is, and I overlooked it in my reply. As I mentioned, I&#8217;ve only heard about this, not seen nor experienced it, but the so-called bad adjustments seemed to be about the teacher trying quite forcefully to bend the student into the pose. I guess it&#8217;s just a matter of degree, since all adjustments push the student a bit further than they can go on their own. In these cases, though, the implication was that the teacher was forceful enough to really injure the student.</p>
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		<title>By: donutszenmom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The samakonasana/hanumanasana comes after the prasaritas. From prasarita padottanasana D, you lower into samakonasana. Five breaths there, then inhale arms up, and exhale chest to the floor. Adjustment is on the last part, when the student had his/her chest on the floor, and involves rolling the thighs back and a smoosh. After samakonasana comes hanumansana. Adjustment (at least the most recent one I got) was my teacher easing my shoulders back a bit (I tend to crunch them up) and directing me to pull my chin in a bit to level my head -- an adjustment more for my peculiar idiosyncrasies than anything standard. Then it&#039;s hands over head (he has occasionally pulled up on my hands, which is really an interesting adjustment for me because it demonstrates the plumb line of the pose) and then forward fold over the front leg.

I had hamstring issues for a while and ditched the samakonasana/ hanumanasana combo. After I healed up, I tried it again and found that I was okay provided I didn&#039;t do it every day. I left it out of my Mysore practice but did it every Saturday at led practice. A few months ago it was clear my hammies were all done recovering and I went back to the samakonasana/hanumanasana for daily practice. I don&#039;t love hanumanasana, but it seems quite helpful from a psoas perspective. I hate samakonasana, but the only time I&#039;ve really hurt myself with it was in fact at a martial arts class.

I am going to try the mat adjustment. I have an endless fascination with self-sufficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The samakonasana/hanumanasana comes after the prasaritas. From prasarita padottanasana D, you lower into samakonasana. Five breaths there, then inhale arms up, and exhale chest to the floor. Adjustment is on the last part, when the student had his/her chest on the floor, and involves rolling the thighs back and a smoosh. After samakonasana comes hanumansana. Adjustment (at least the most recent one I got) was my teacher easing my shoulders back a bit (I tend to crunch them up) and directing me to pull my chin in a bit to level my head &#8212; an adjustment more for my peculiar idiosyncrasies than anything standard. Then it&#8217;s hands over head (he has occasionally pulled up on my hands, which is really an interesting adjustment for me because it demonstrates the plumb line of the pose) and then forward fold over the front leg.</p>
<p>I had hamstring issues for a while and ditched the samakonasana/ hanumanasana combo. After I healed up, I tried it again and found that I was okay provided I didn&#8217;t do it every day. I left it out of my Mysore practice but did it every Saturday at led practice. A few months ago it was clear my hammies were all done recovering and I went back to the samakonasana/hanumanasana for daily practice. I don&#8217;t love hanumanasana, but it seems quite helpful from a psoas perspective. I hate samakonasana, but the only time I&#8217;ve really hurt myself with it was in fact at a martial arts class.</p>
<p>I am going to try the mat adjustment. I have an endless fascination with self-sufficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: bindifry</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well since i do not do hanumanasana/samakonasana, i do not adjust them, but i&#039;ve seen the hanumanasana adj.-simply turning the back thigh in cause usually it&#039;s out of allignment.  most people are not ready  for either posture which is why they are located in advanced a &amp; b (actually i&#039;m not even sure where samakonasana is-but i do know it&#039;s quite dangerous unless you are a martial arts master).  if my students can&#039;t wait for the adjustment of supta vaj, they tuck their legs under a shelf, use a towel around the feet, and self practice. that way they can only blame themselves if they get hurt.  supta vaj is a hard adjustment on the hips for the teacher when done correctly, when people can&#039;t hold their feet-cause your feet have to hold their hands on the feet and you have to give just the right amount of slack.  what are teachers paid for if they simply have their students do their jobs for them?  and i would never want anyone except the teacher i have paid to adjust me.  if they can&#039;t get to me, i just move on.  that&#039;s life.  students often want want want.  if you can&#039;t wait, it&#039;s your own fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well since i do not do hanumanasana/samakonasana, i do not adjust them, but i&#8217;ve seen the hanumanasana adj.-simply turning the back thigh in cause usually it&#8217;s out of allignment.  most people are not ready  for either posture which is why they are located in advanced a &amp; b (actually i&#8217;m not even sure where samakonasana is-but i do know it&#8217;s quite dangerous unless you are a martial arts master).  if my students can&#8217;t wait for the adjustment of supta vaj, they tuck their legs under a shelf, use a towel around the feet, and self practice. that way they can only blame themselves if they get hurt.  supta vaj is a hard adjustment on the hips for the teacher when done correctly, when people can&#8217;t hold their feet-cause your feet have to hold their hands on the feet and you have to give just the right amount of slack.  what are teachers paid for if they simply have their students do their jobs for them?  and i would never want anyone except the teacher i have paid to adjust me.  if they can&#8217;t get to me, i just move on.  that&#8217;s life.  students often want want want.  if you can&#8217;t wait, it&#8217;s your own fault.</p>
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		<title>By: (0v0)</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know samakonasana/hanumanasa in the context for ashtanga practice. What are the adjustments for it and where do you do it? Must, as bindifry says, be a Tim Miller thing. Come to think of it, when I practice there, people seem to be tossing in hanumanasana all over the place. Personally, while I also see improv as distracting in a Mysore context, I have a real thing for hanumanasana. Would not complain to practice it regularly.

The self-help for supta vaj goes like this. (This is difficult for me because I&#039;ve lost some flexibility in recent months, but used to be quite do-able.) Roll the mat almost all the way up, and sit on the little lip you leave out of the roll. If you practice with a rug, roll that in too because it&#039;ll make your roll bigger. Position the roll tightly against the sacrum. Assume the position. Then use the roll as your anchor. Bring the elbows low so they really press in to the roll, then use them as leverage to sit back up. Sometimes, a person needs to rock the knees a bit to sit back up. Sometimes she also needs to readjust the roll so it&#039;s tightly in place for the last 5-breath dip. I could be wrong, but I think this method is common among longtime Chuck Miller students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know samakonasana/hanumanasa in the context for ashtanga practice. What are the adjustments for it and where do you do it? Must, as bindifry says, be a Tim Miller thing. Come to think of it, when I practice there, people seem to be tossing in hanumanasana all over the place. Personally, while I also see improv as distracting in a Mysore context, I have a real thing for hanumanasana. Would not complain to practice it regularly.</p>
<p>The self-help for supta vaj goes like this. (This is difficult for me because I&#8217;ve lost some flexibility in recent months, but used to be quite do-able.) Roll the mat almost all the way up, and sit on the little lip you leave out of the roll. If you practice with a rug, roll that in too because it&#8217;ll make your roll bigger. Position the roll tightly against the sacrum. Assume the position. Then use the roll as your anchor. Bring the elbows low so they really press in to the roll, then use them as leverage to sit back up. Sometimes, a person needs to rock the knees a bit to sit back up. Sometimes she also needs to readjust the roll so it&#8217;s tightly in place for the last 5-breath dip. I could be wrong, but I think this method is common among longtime Chuck Miller students.</p>
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		<title>By: bindifry</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, the students are not insured to assist.  so that&#039;s another reason.  whose fault is it if someone gets hurt?  i have insurance.  the studio can get sued.  not good.  and you should be concerned only with your own practice.
but i&#039;m a traditionalist in every way in my life.  i don&#039;t &quot;shun&quot; these practices, i just don&#039;t advocate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, the students are not insured to assist.  so that&#8217;s another reason.  whose fault is it if someone gets hurt?  i have insurance.  the studio can get sued.  not good.  and you should be concerned only with your own practice.<br />
but i&#8217;m a traditionalist in every way in my life.  i don&#8217;t &#8220;shun&#8221; these practices, i just don&#8217;t advocate them.</p>
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		<title>By: bindifry</title>
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		<dc:creator>bindifry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well there are 2 of us teaching each morning, so there is no need for students to break from their practices to assist.  personally, i don&#039;t like it at all.  they can wait for supta vaj by holding bandhas &amp; toes in lotus, making a nice tight posture, just wait a few seconds, no problems.
that hanumanasana/samakonasana thing makes no sense to me and was taught in tim miller&#039;s &quot;fun&quot; classes not intended to incorporate into the practice.  i don&#039;t stop people from doing it, just cringe, especially in samakonasana.  i can hear the hamstring attachments tearing from the other side of the room. many need blocks for this and are 2 feet from the floor.  the students do not even know why they are doing it.   some insist on handstand in prasarita, too.  sometimes i help them, but i don&#039;t approve.  handstands are done during the backbend sequences-i was taught mostly by dena kingsberg this method.  the reason is to prepare to flip over when the student is ready, it also provides an energy boost at that point in the practice when you need it most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well there are 2 of us teaching each morning, so there is no need for students to break from their practices to assist.  personally, i don&#8217;t like it at all.  they can wait for supta vaj by holding bandhas &amp; toes in lotus, making a nice tight posture, just wait a few seconds, no problems.<br />
that hanumanasana/samakonasana thing makes no sense to me and was taught in tim miller&#8217;s &#8220;fun&#8221; classes not intended to incorporate into the practice.  i don&#8217;t stop people from doing it, just cringe, especially in samakonasana.  i can hear the hamstring attachments tearing from the other side of the room. many need blocks for this and are 2 feet from the floor.  the students do not even know why they are doing it.   some insist on handstand in prasarita, too.  sometimes i help them, but i don&#8217;t approve.  handstands are done during the backbend sequences-i was taught mostly by dena kingsberg this method.  the reason is to prepare to flip over when the student is ready, it also provides an energy boost at that point in the practice when you need it most.</p>
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